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All we know about her is that she was the most favourite consort of Ramsses the Great, and she played a very important political role in her husband's rule, but her family background was still in dispute. I asked my friend for all the titles Nefertari had, so far I have collected:
1. Great of Praises (wrt-hzwt)
2.Sweet of Love (bnrt-mrwt)
3.Lady of Grace (nbt-im3t)
4.Great King’s Wife (hmt-niswt-wrt)
5.Great King’s Wife, his beloved (hmt-niswt-wrt meryt.f)
6. Lady of The Two Lands (nbt-t3wy)
7.Lady of all Lands (hnwt-t3w-nbw)
8.Wife of the Strong Bull (hmt-k3-nxt)
9.God’s Wife (hmt-ntr)
10.Mistress of Upper and Lower Egypt (hnwt-Shm’w-mhw)
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14,pretty with two feathers
15,Hereditary Princess
16,Mistress of the South and the North
17,Great of Favors
18,Prossessor of Charm
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20,the Beloved of Godess Mut
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And also I have asked someone from a Ancient Egypt disussion group, they replied the following words:
I have argued in print that she was a member of the collateral branch of theDynasty XVIII royal family on the basis of her name and other data withevidence coming from references in the texts and from objects from her tombin the Valley of the Queens. Links with some of the personalities of theAmarna and Post-Amarna Periods are possible indeed. I cite earlierscholarship in support of this contention.
Joyce Tyldesley's new book, _Chronicle of the Queens of Egypt_, has some information about Nefertari, but not much. Tyldesley cites Dr. Bob's paper in her bibliography.The two following paragraphs seem to say it all:"His first, and best attested, consort is Nefertari, whom he married before becoming king. Nefertari's parentage is never disclosed although, as she never uses the title King's Daughter, we know that she was not born a princess. It may be that she was a member of Ay's wider family; the discovery of a glazed knob (possibly the head of a walking stick, or the fastener from a wooden box) decorated with Ay's cartouche in her tomb lends some support to this theory. However, she is probably too young to have been Ay's daughter- a sister to queens Nefertiti and Mutnodjmet- as Ramesses reigned 20 years after Ay's death.""Nefertari spent at least 20 years appearing alongside her husband as a dutiful, beautiful, but entirely passive wife. As such, she is a frustrating subject for any biographer. She supports Ramesses on all appropriate ceremonial occasions, and may well have acompanied him on his military campaigns. During the Year 5 battle of Kadesh the royal family (Nefertari and her children included?) came dangerously close to being captured by the Hittites. Many years later, with the Hittites and the Egyptians reconciled, Nefertari was to correspond wiyth the formidable Padukhepa, queen of the Hittites. This seems somewhat out of character. It appears that that Padukhepa, who played a more prominent role in state affairs than her Egyptian counterpart, wrote first, and that Nefertari had to reply for the sake of politeness. Her stilted letters, however, reveal little of interest and nothing at all of her character."
I said:I have this book too, and I read the passage about Nefertari. Indeed the info is not enough. Any way I noticed that Joyce Tydesley stated the case of Nefertatri being a heir of a royal branch from 18th dynasty. And I think it is possible. She must had a social high-ranking. In the passage, it says that she never uses the title King's daughter, but I read some other materials, there was a piece of info said that she had a title of " Hereditary Princess".
Apparently, we had problems about the title of Hereditary Princess, but I did find some info from the book called: Nefertari: the most beautiful of them, writen by Mahmoud Maher Taha.Maybe there was a title like this one, but maybe not, we can not be sure.
From the discussion there were a number of ideas about the family of Nefertari:
1, someone said that she was the daughter of Seti 1, so in this case, Nefertari was half sisiter of Ramsses the Great.
2,someone said that she was the daughter of Ay, but I think it is impossible. Because it was too young for Nefertari to marry Ramsses the Great.
3,some said that she was the great grand daughter of Quees Ahmos-Nefertari. Again too young to be the great grand doughter.
4,some considered her as the heir of a royal branch from 18th dynasty. I think it is highly possible. and in this way, the title of Hereditary Princess would make sense.Anyway, she must have a very high social ranking which was used by Ramsses family as a tool to consolidate the power.
All we know about her is that she was the most favourite consort of Ramsses the Great, and she played a very important political role in her husband's rule, but her family background was still in dispute. I asked my friend for all the titles Nefertari had, so far I have collected:
1. Great of Praises (wrt-hzwt)
2.Sweet of Love (bnrt-mrwt)
3.Lady of Grace (nbt-im3t)
4.Great King’s Wife (hmt-niswt-wrt)
5.Great King’s Wife, his beloved (hmt-niswt-wrt meryt.f)
6. Lady of The Two Lands (nbt-t3wy)
7.Lady of all Lands (hnwt-t3w-nbw)
8.Wife of the Strong Bull (hmt-k3-nxt)
9.God’s Wife (hmt-ntr)
10.Mistress of Upper and Lower Egypt (hnwt-Shm’w-mhw)
11,King's Wife
12,the Most Beautiful of Them
13,beautiful face
14,pretty with two feathers
15,Hereditary Princess
16,Mistress of the South and the North
17,Great of Favors
18,Prossessor of Charm
19,Sweetness and Love
20,the Beloved of Godess Mut
21,Bride of God6,Great of Lovend
22,Mother of the King
23,Appeasing of Gods
And also I have asked someone from a Ancient Egypt disussion group, they replied the following words:
I have argued in print that she was a member of the collateral branch of theDynasty XVIII royal family on the basis of her name and other data withevidence coming from references in the texts and from objects from her tombin the Valley of the Queens. Links with some of the personalities of theAmarna and Post-Amarna Periods are possible indeed. I cite earlierscholarship in support of this contention.
Joyce Tyldesley's new book, _Chronicle of the Queens of Egypt_, has some information about Nefertari, but not much. Tyldesley cites Dr. Bob's paper in her bibliography.The two following paragraphs seem to say it all:"His first, and best attested, consort is Nefertari, whom he married before becoming king. Nefertari's parentage is never disclosed although, as she never uses the title King's Daughter, we know that she was not born a princess. It may be that she was a member of Ay's wider family; the discovery of a glazed knob (possibly the head of a walking stick, or the fastener from a wooden box) decorated with Ay's cartouche in her tomb lends some support to this theory. However, she is probably too young to have been Ay's daughter- a sister to queens Nefertiti and Mutnodjmet- as Ramesses reigned 20 years after Ay's death."
I said:I have this book too, and I read the passage about Nefertari. Indeed the info is not enough. Any way I noticed that Joyce Tydesley stated the case of Nefertatri being a heir of a royal branch from 18th dynasty. And I think it is possible. She must had a social high-ranking. In the passage, it says that she never uses the title King's daughter, but I read some other materials, there was a piece of info said that she had a title of " Hereditary Princess".
Apparently, we had problems about the title of Hereditary Princess, but I did find some info from the book called: Nefertari: the most beautiful of them, writen by Mahmoud Maher Taha.Maybe there was a title like this one, but maybe not, we can not be sure.
From the discussion there were a number of ideas about the family of Nefertari:
1, someone said that she was the daughter of Seti 1, so in this case, Nefertari was half sisiter of Ramsses the Great.
2,someone said that she was the daughter of Ay, but I think it is impossible. Because it was too young for Nefertari to marry Ramsses the Great.
3,some said that she was the great grand daughter of Quees Ahmos-Nefertari. Again too young to be the great grand doughter.
4,some considered her as the heir of a royal branch from 18th dynasty. I think it is highly possible. and in this way, the title of Hereditary Princess would make sense.Anyway, she must have a very high social ranking which was used by Ramsses family as a tool to consolidate the power.
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